In this
interview with JOHN ALECHENU, former Acting National Chairman of the
Peoples Democratic Party, Uche Secondus, speaks on the crisis within the
party, President Muhammadu Buhari’s anti-corruption war among other
national issues
You were at the helm of affairs of the Peoples Democratic
Party before Senator Ali Modu Sheriff came on board. Why did the party
pick him ahead of other longstanding members?
It was both the North-East (chapter of the PDP) and the leaders of the
party that came together and resolved to pick Sheriff. I believe at that
time, it was based on his experience as a governor and senator and that
he could foster relationships between members of the party, governors,
senators and other members of the National Assembly. And since we are
not also in power at the centre, we saw him as someone who could easily
coordinate and interact with the several segments of the party. Even
though there was some opposition, eventually it was resolved.
With the benefit of hindsight, would you say the party made the right decision?
To me, politics is dynamic. At the time that decision was taken, it
was in the best interest of everyone. With what has happened now and the
dynamism of politics, unfortunately this is the situation we’ve found
ourselves.
Do you agree with those who say this crisis has the potential of obliterating the PDP as a political platform?
I totally disagree. Yes, we have not had it so rough but we will
overcome it. By the special grace of God, we are working towards putting
these issues behind us. I believe that in a political party just like
anywhere in the world there must be a time for challenges like this. And
in the case of the PDP, we will overcome it.
From your experience, would you say the crisis within the party is without external influence?
I can’t rule out external influence because you can see what is
happening especially in Edo State where they don’t want us to have a
candidate for the governorship elections. Our opponents are afraid that
we will bounce back. Like I said before, it is nothing new; we will
overcome.
You have in recent times appealed to Sheriff and his
supporters to embrace dialogue and tow the path of peace. What informed
this decision?
My take is this, if people are saying that Sheriff is a mercenary, it is
left for him to prove them wrong. It is not enough for him to deny it
on the pages of newspapers. It is for him to come forward and join the
rest of the party. Take for instance, all the governors, all the
National Assembly members, former members of the National Working
Committee, BoT (Board of Trustees), various caucuses and National Caucus
of the party are on one side; they support the National Caretaker
Committee. Why is Sheriff on the other side? He should come over and
join us if he says he is not being used as a mercenary. Ninety nine per
cent of the members of the party are on one side. The issue of division
does not even arise. It is just a case of one man being stubborn and
refusing to join the majority. You know, the media is also enjoying the
whole show. We know the judiciary is the last hope of the common man and
they have done the right thing already. The judgment in Port Harcourt
is declaratory. There is no ambiguity. The judgment said the court
upheld the decision of the convention held in Port Harcourt which
appointed the Ahmed Makarfi-led Committee. The convention of any
political party is the highest decision making body of the party. The
convention can decide to dissolve the party; the convention can do and
undo as far as party administration is concerned. It is higher than the
NWC (National Working committee), NEC (National Executive Committee) and
all of us.
When you were the Acting National Chairman, a former
Presidential Adviser, Ahmed Gulak, went to court to force out the
National Working Committee you led because you were reluctant to leave
office after the expiration of your tenure. What happened?
We had earlier on thought that before Gulak went to court, the party
would be run in such a way that we could manage ourselves until the
national convention. But the insistence of some of our members that the
acting chairman must come from the North-East where Adamu Mu’azu comes
from in line with our constitution led to legal issues and the
involvement of the courts. We didn’t want to break the law, we wanted to
carry everybody along to the convention but there were some people like
Gulak who were agitated and went to court. We said look, ‘there is no
hard and fast rule’, and we gave way for the people of the North-East to
produce the acting chairman. Prominent leaders of the zone, precisely
the governors of Taraba and Gombe states who were the ones in charge and
some other leaders from the zone, came together and made nominations.
There were several people but finally, we resolved to settle for Sheriff
and I believe that if the party had allowed my working committee as at
that time to continue acting, it would have been a peaceful transition.
Why would it have been peaceful?
It would have been peaceful because there was nothing that we were
looking for than to conduct a transparent national convention for all.
But one has to obey the rules of the game and the constitution. That was
what happened. We had actually wished that we had continued so that the
whole process would have been very peaceful.
Your party has this history of upheavals each time a leadership
change is imminent. I can’t remember any National Chairman from the late
Chief Solomon Lar right down to present day; who was allowed to
complete his term … (Cuts in)
No, I don’t agree with you. Let me correct that impression. I think
Solomon Lar completed his term, Dr. Amadu Ali completed his tenure, Audu
Ogbeh resigned on principle, (Vincent) Ogbulafor resigned voluntarily,
Barnabas Gemade resigned voluntarily, there was no controversy. The
transition was smooth.
What about Bamanga Tukur?
He too resigned voluntarily, there was no controversy. I disagree with
you on your earlier assertion. The only one I will agree with you that
is controversial is that of Sheriff which we are still trying to resolve
at the moment.
You said your party’s constitution guides the process of
choosing your leaders. If you recall, the North-East presented Babayo
Shehu as National Chairman, but somehow, Bamanga Tukur emerged. How do
you reconcile this?
Yes, the zones are allowed to pick their representatives for offices
zoned to them. But it does not mean that the zone will produce the
national chairman. It has to be a consensus between the zone and all
other leaders from all the other zones because he is not going to be the
chairman for only the zone, he is to be national chairman. If he were
to be the chairman for the zone, nobody would contest it with them but
when the person is to be the national chairman, the area the position is
zoned to will have to have to market him to all the other zones for
them to make an impute to ensure that he is an acceptable candidate.
That was what happened in the case of Babayo and Bamanga Tukur. Babayo
got the support of the zone but apparently in all the other zones, he
couldn’t get the required support rather it was Tukur that got the
support and since it was a national office and not a zonal office,
Babayo’s choice couldn’t stand.
What is your response to allegations that the PDP began to
decay when the party leadership handed over its functions to the
executive each time the party won an election?
I think this is mere speculation. I believe that when you are in the
political system just like you have in the United and the United
Kingdom, office holders are leaders. Take for instance, the Republican
Party in the US, the speaker of congress who happens to be the leader is
a member. The same thing happens here even though it is not written
down in the constitution per se, yet in practice. I have been in this
party over the years; this has not taken away the constitutional powers
of the officers of the party. When (former)President Olusegun Obasanjo
was there, Amadu Ali was a very powerful chairman. The thing depends on
who is at the helm of affairs. The president and the governors, no one
has ever taken over the functions of the party executive or usurped
their powers as is being alleged. I am not in agreement with this at
all.
Many members of your party are being investigated by the EFCC
for alleged corrupt practices. Would you say the rule of law is being
adhered to or is it a witch-hunt?
There is absolute absence of the rule of law in the pursuit of this
anti-corruption crusade. We in the PDP are in total support of the
anti-corruption fight but we believe that due process and the rule of
law are not being followed. We are not in a garrison command structure, a
person can be invited or arrested if he resists but the rule of law
must be followed. The EFCC cannot constitute itself to be the judge,
jury and turn itself into a court and become a law onto itself.
Virtually all we have seen in the past one year is that even before they
go to court, the EFCC has already condemned the accused persons. This
is wrong in the eyes of the law. Allow the courts to make the
pronouncement; it is not for the EFCC to make the announcement. We
believe that there is complete absence of the rule of law and that the
government is carrying out its prosecution based on a one-sided agenda.
We know there are ex-governors who are ministers now, why are they not
probing them? Why are they not inviting them? It is absolutely wrong. It
has to be holistic. If you say you want to clean up the mess go ahead
and do it but it has to be everybody that was there. There are some
former governors who were in the PDP before but are now in the APC as
senators and ministers. They have become untouchable. Is that how to
fight corruption? The partiality is obvious now, and Nigerians know; the
world now knows that the agenda of this government is to kill the PDP.
The APC through its National Chairman, Chief John
Odigie-Oyegun, had challenged any of you who have evidence against any
of its members to present same to the EFCC. Why have you not done so?
I can tell you that many states including Ekiti and Rivers have written
several petitions against these persons and nothing has happened. I can
tell you that nothing has happened. Who is fooling whom?
Critics of your party have said the PDP is so comfortable
with corruption that it has no interest in the anti-corruption fight.
How do you respond?
This is wrong, absolutely wrong. Let me ask this question, if the PDP
had no interest in fighting corruption would we had set up the EFCC,
ICPC (Independent Corrupt Practices Commission) and all other
institutions? All these institutions were set up by the then President
Olusegun Obasanjo who headed a PDP-led government. We established these
institutions with good intentions. The PDP as a party has not done
anything to undermine the anti-graft war even in the face of glaring
provocations. As many as this government wants to go after let it go
ahead, all we are saying is that the rule of law must be followed. The
truth will prevail; some may be found guilty, others will not be found
so. But it (anti-corruption war) has to cover those who were in the PDP
before and are now in the APC and also those who were APC governors;
that is the issue.
Has your party dealt with the contentious issue of zoning because politicians are already talking about the 2019 elections?
Yes, that has been spelt out at our last convention in Port Harcourt. A
motion was moved for the zoning of the Presidency to the North and it
was accepted and another motion was moved that the party national
chairmanship position should be zoned to the South and that was also
accepted. We didn’t say any specific zone in the North or South we just
said North and South that had been accepted. It is now our rule that we
must follow with these two offices. I think the issue has been resolved.
Sheriff has insisted that a court judgment given in his
favour by an Abuja Court says his tenure ends in 2018. How do you
resolve this?
There is nothing like that. What Mu’azu came to do was to complete the
unexpired tenure of Bamanga Tukur. I don’t know where Sheriff got the
2018 thing from because Tukur’s tenure is four-year tenure. He started
it before Mu’azu tried to complete it but resigned before Sheriff came
on board to complete the same tenure. Thus, there is no issue here; that
tenure has since expired. The decision of the convention has been
upheld by the court of law.
The governing APC had declared the 16 years your party spent
in power as a waste. The party also blames the hardships being
experienced by Nigerians today on your rule. Do you have a response?
We are very grateful to Nigerians for the votes they consistently gave
us and kept us in power for 16 unbroken years and of course they can
today see the dividends of democracy we were able to give Nigerians
within those years. For instance, the current railway line between Abuja
and Kaduna which the APC government is planning to commission is the
product of the PDP. The APC has done nothing in the last one year to add
to that. The PDP revolutionalised the mobile communications system; we
enhanced the freedom of speech and the press. These were signed into law
by the PDP administrations. Nigerians are now more than ever before
more enlightened. They now know the difference between propaganda,
sloganeering and facts, real facts and figures with records of
achievements. To say the PDP did nothing in 16 years is uncharitable and
an attempt to turn facts and figures on their heads. What the APC
should concern itself with doing now is how to fulfil all the promises
they made to Nigerians and come out with an economic blue print on how
to deal with the economy.
Do you share the sentiments of those who allege that appointments so far made by this administration are lopsided?
Oh yes, the appointments are lopsided. The Presidency did not follow the
dictates of the principle of federal character in most of his
appointments. Yes, he has the prerogative to make these appointments but
in doing so, a true leader must take into account the sensibilities of
the component units of the nation we are all trying to build. He
(Buhari) has to carry all the sections of the country along. In this
case, it is one sided.
Can you confidently say your party will be ready for the big stage come 2019?
Nigerians should hold the APC accountable for all the promises they made
and have so far failed to deliver. On our part we are ready to provide
equitable leadership that all Nigerians will be proud of because in a
country like Nigeria with over 170 million people, you need everybody to
be on board. This is absent in the case of this APC government. In our
process of administering this nation when we return, we won’t fight the
National Assembly like they are doing now, we won’t fight any section of
this country, we will build the nation not divide it. Nigerians have a
choice to make come 2019; it is left for Nigerians to look before they
leap when given the opportunity. We have learnt our lessons; our
challenges will be resolved sooner than later.
The APC has not hidden its disappointment that one of your
own, Senator Ike Ekweremadu, emerged as the Deputy Senate President. Is
your party bothered?
What is democracy for? It is the government of the people by the people
and for the people. The choice of the majority must be obeyed and
respected. It is not a question of whether or not Ike Ekweremadu was
elected, the issue is due process was followed; Senators exercised their
rights to elect their leaders as stipulated by law in a free and fair
contest. From our experience, there was a time the PDP made a choice of
who should be the Speaker of the House of Representatives but some other
person emerged and we quickly embraced him. Even at that, he moved to
the APC but we did not remove him because we respected the separation of
powers as democracy dictated. All those elected are Nigerians. What
should bother this government as far as we are concerned is the fact
that the economy is in shambles because they have no plan for it. Banks
are throwing out workers every day, unemployment is at its highest level
in recent memory but we have a government which does not consider these
issues worthy of its attention. This has to change.